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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Mar 21, 2007 5:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Oh, cmon, let's get it over with

Favorite year.

Two rules. You can pick only one. Even if you like a general time period best, which year stands out from January through December as the most consistently Deadolicious? Feel free to explain why. Good tunes? Good tapes? Good memories? Good Golly Miss Molly?

Put me down for 1969 (just don't put me down).


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Poster: Supaslush Date: Mar 21, 2007 6:39am
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1969, ok!
All across the USA!

You absolutely have to give it up for 69. Here you have the crux between primal dead and the workingman's years. You've got pig and tom (what is it about years with two keyboarders at the same time? *cough* '72 *cough* '90 *cough*). You've got Dark Star and Black Peter.

As much as I'm a 1980s fan, the way they played:

song>song>jam>song>jam>song>song (reprise)

back in the 60s was the best. You know they couldn't do it forever, but it was the best.

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Poster: BlueMtnMan Date: Mar 21, 2007 9:23am
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I tend dive in and explore the music of a given year for a couple of weeks. In the middle of '74 presently and it is sweet, but is it better than '69, '72 or '77? Hard to say, but I'm going to narrow it down to '72 or '77 and flip a coin. Ok, '77 won, I'll go with that. Maybe in a year or so after I have more thoroughly explored the 80's, I may see what some of the younger heads see in that decade, but for now it escapes me.

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Poster: lostmoon Date: Mar 21, 2007 9:38pm
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Many good years like many good bottles of wine.
This month I have been listening to a lot of the March 1990 music. Maybe not my overall favorite, but this week, this month, that is where I'm at.

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Poster: Robony Date: Mar 21, 2007 6:42am
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See Below




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Poster: JamminJerome Date: Mar 21, 2007 6:17am
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arrrgh! 1977 for its consistency, but 1969 is a close second.

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Poster: wineland Date: Mar 21, 2007 8:56am
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Geez, tough question. It was 82 this winter. 76 last fall. Right now I have to say that I have been in a 72 groove. And 77 can't be overlooked with the 30th anniversary and all.

I put on Europe 72 when I was refinishing my hardwood floors. I realized that it was the introduction to the Dead that my Uncle taped off his record. I'd listened to it so many times that these are the fundamental forms of the songs and how they should sound (to me). Everything else is leading up or spiraling away from 72.

In a word (or number) 1972.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Mar 21, 2007 8:09am
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For me it's 77 or 91

I'm a Hornsby guy and there are so many shows to choose from during 91 especially with all those interesting song placements so 91 by a nose. Not let me go throw in the Buffalo 1977 gig with that great Comes A time to even things out

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Poster: wineland Date: Mar 21, 2007 8:53am
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Good call on the 91, I dig Hornsby. I've always wished that he would have been with the Dead to the end. No offense to Vince, but I'd have liked to see Hornsby on the keys instead. He and Jerry had a good connection when on stage together.

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Poster: elkdog Date: Mar 21, 2007 9:20am
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'91 isn't my top choice, but I like the pick here. It gets overlooked a lot, but the energy of the band that year was really unique. Seems like the band really "soared" with Hornsby. Good call.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Mar 21, 2007 7:07am
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Just ONE year?? 1972347

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Mar 21, 2007 8:12am
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Hell of a long year. I'm buying you a calendar for Xmas!

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Poster: sydthecat2 Date: Mar 21, 2007 7:35am
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This is a mug's game for me because I'll change my mind later. I'm really getting off on 1967 now, for instance, and who knows where I'll be in six months but anyway, thank God I get to choose two and, for now, here they are.

1969
1972

I won't go into the first choice. It's just home for me. The Dead at it's psychedelic best with a whiff of the Workingman's at year's end.

The second is a recent revelation. For many years I dug '73. I'd pontificate about it being the primo year of Deadom. But then I discovered this site and got to triple my '72 library along with some official releases. And I have to say that it's an apex for them. They're still finding their way out of the Workingman's/'71 phase and have yet to settle into the rolling monster they became in '73. Dark Star begins to really alter in form and content at the beginning of the year and Playing in the Band morphs into a seething protoplasm culminating in what is my current favourite Playin' in Cleveland later that year. It's on the Archive check it out my friends. It's this state of flux and movement along with the hard rockin' edge they bring to the rock and cowboy tunes that's kept me in '72----and the many wonderful shows!!----Veneta, most of Europe, an incredible fall tour, the Academy gigs---they still have the whiff of the Haight about them too and Billy and Phil are gods striding the Earth. And even though he's ailing we get some five star Pigpen some of which we're lucky enough to have on film and vid. Bittersweet.

But I have to, for sanity's sake mention, 1976-7, 1981, 1983, 1989, 1990-91.

Shit! I just went back to the original post and saw that I can only pick one!!!!!!!!!

ARRGHHHH! Brain shutting down----drum solo almost over.....

This post was modified by sydthecat2 on 2007-03-21 14:35:21

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 21, 2007 12:27pm
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Final comment: Amazingly, was just thinking about posting a post like this last night sense I was so impressed with the 'return to normalcy' hereabouts of late what with all the regulars posting, no bitter disputes breaking out, spam wars, etc.

Good call.

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Poster: ducats Date: Mar 21, 2007 6:45am
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2007 - the year of Rat Dog!

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Poster: CCCC Date: Apr 15, 2007 8:45am
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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 21, 2007 4:17pm
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i agree with CCCC

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Poster: high flow Date: Mar 21, 2007 4:29pm
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Minty has it. 1973. Huge year.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 21, 2007 4:31pm
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73 has nothin on 95 - i was 14 during the 95 shows and can tell you folks a thing or two

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Poster: high flow Date: Mar 21, 2007 4:33pm
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Dire??

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Poster: waynecs Date: Mar 21, 2007 4:16pm
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1975-not a bad show in the bunch.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 21, 2007 4:19pm
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maybe i'll change my answer - since i know nothing of 1995 and have heard virtually not a thing barring 7/9 and a hint of others.....


I VOTE 1995


or can i vote 1996????

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 21, 2007 7:12pm
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Just curious--do you really think it's silly? I cannot think of a band for which I would say all years are equally loved...

Not being confrontational, but I really am curious--do you think 65 is equal to 77 or whatever?

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Poster: JodyC Date: Mar 21, 2007 1:03pm
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77

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Poster: BryanE Date: Mar 21, 2007 7:12am
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Okay, since you've corralled us into a single year, that eliminates my standard answer of 1965-1995.

But I'm still torn, dammit. I do want to play along, though.

The early to mid-80's were my big years of going to shows. And I think those were some really good years for the band: Brent's presence gave them a spark of energy and inspiration; they had achieved a high level of technical prowess in their playing; and the problems associated with crowd control, health-related issues, and drug addiction and its effects of complacency toward performing and life in general had yet to take their toll.

The best show I ever saw took place in August of 1980 at the Mississippi River Festival in Edwardsville, Illinois. Jerry had just turned 38 years old, so he still had the stamina of relatively young man, as did everyone else, and that made for some really good Grateful Dead in those days. And when I entered college that fall, I heard tapes of other shows from that summer tour, confirming that they had been on quite a roll.

1980-Final Answer

But I like ducats's answer, too.

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Poster: Robony Date: Mar 21, 2007 6:27am
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Nineteen Hundred and seventy-bleepin-two.

Pig+Kieth+Europe+Fall+PITB+DS+one drummer+C>R+Jer's natural Strat+Wolf+Bickershaw+Sunshine Daydream+++++

One year - 86 Shows

Firsts:

BTW
LLR
He's Gone
Stella
Half Step
Box of Rain
WRS
Two Souls

Guests:

Bo Diddley
Dickey Betts, Berry Oakley and Jai Johanny Johanson
David Crosby
Grace Slick
NRPS

Nineteen Hundred and seventy-bleepin-two.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 21, 2007 8:29am
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Hmmm--not trying to START anything, but I just noticed: is it just that the old farts are up early? Do we only have two post 77 years picked thus far?

Lets see if it balances out as the day progresses...as it stands, most are 68-77...

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Poster: JamminJerome Date: Mar 21, 2007 9:25am
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Well, as some have said, while they may prefer a particular era, when it comes to picking only one year it gets tough. As great as some of the later stuff was, there's few whole years that were as solid as the early ones.

I was tempted to say "the last year of Brent's tenure with the band" which would be 89-90. But I think that's against the rules.

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Poster: Supaslush Date: Mar 21, 2007 8:52am
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Naw.
At 28, I'm relatively young on here and - though I listen almost exclusively to late '80s shows - I believe that the essence of the Dead is in the earlier years. You can look to the 60's for pure extemporaneous inventiveness or the 70s for technical ability and songwriting. I personally believe that many of the songs introduced in the 70s didn't really get "heart", if you will, until they'd had a chance to mellow in the 80s.

But first-wave dead is undeniable. Think how awesome it would have been for them jam like:

St. Stephen>Let It Grow> Little Red Rooster> West L.A.> Feedback>Little Red Rooster > St. Stephen*

or some s**t like that in the 80s, but they didn't. Phil does that kinda stuff with his band now, and mad props to 'em, but it's not the same as with Jer and everybody.

*just for example.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Mar 21, 2007 8:48am
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Well, you have started it, mister! I am an old fart, or at least my daughter and her friends consider me as such, and I picked '80.

Come to think of it, my wife calls me an old fart, too.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Mar 21, 2007 1:29pm
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1972 by a hair over 1969 and 1973, with 1977 also showing.

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Poster: deadn73 Date: Mar 21, 2007 1:32pm
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73 OR 70...70 has the carry over of the 69 psychedelic energy in the earlier months,and then classic acoustic material to top it off doesnt get much better then that

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 21, 2007 1:38pm
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That is a really good reason to go with 70; 9-19-70 is another.

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Poster: The Bopper Date: Mar 21, 2007 10:21am
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1982 - more polished then '80 or '81, less ragged then '83-'85. The band played fewer shows this year then most others from this time period, probably because of side projects.

But less is more in this case, with the cream of the crop being the shows late July to early August. If I had to point out one reason why these were Garcia's peak playing days, it would be the China/Rider transition from 8/7. But you gotta have DP to listen. Another example of Garcia's greatness that year were the Garcia/Kahn shows.

As Jerry said during an interview from summer '81, "we're hitting our stride in a way...we're starting to get to a place that is a point of departure...just starting to get some place on a certain level"

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Poster: countmlbjam Date: Mar 21, 2007 11:35am
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1973

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Poster: Sugaree83 Date: Mar 21, 2007 3:07pm
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since I can pick only one, I will go with '79 and '82. if I could have added another, it would have been '89 and '69.

a full list of reasons will follow (and I will try to follow directions in that post, but this isn't easy).

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Poster: buscameby Date: Mar 21, 2007 8:14am
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I would like to say 77' because it was a Great year and my first but I have to go with 85 because of the rebirth of the energy I saw wanning in the early 80's as Brent got ramped up.
Then ofcoarse for myself because I saw my first Greek shows and had my face removed from my face and got it back at Red Rocks on 9-7-85. It seemed the whole summer of 85 was a renewal with the 20th Anniversary energy.

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Poster: elkdog Date: Mar 21, 2007 9:26am
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I think that the Grateful Dead in 1974 were a force of nature that has not been matched. Love the jazz fusion, love Jerry's crystal clear tone, love Phil being all over the place, love Billy K's nimble drumming- the whole band was in peak form. Nice balance of the experimentation and recklessness of the early years and the professional, emotional tightness of '77-'82 or so. GREAT jams on Let It Grow, TOO, Dark Star, Eyes, Scarlet, Playin' and I'm sure I'm forgetting some. Bonus points for the Wall of Sound- maybe the coolest thing any band has ever done for its fans.

Honorable mentions to 1972 (maybe the most creative year in terms of new spaces explored) and 1981 (smooth, polished, great playing).

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Poster: tree-ap Date: Mar 21, 2007 9:32am
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In TOTAL agreement with you Elkdog. While '72 AND '73 are spectacular, and what is probably my fav overall show is 9/28/72---or maybe 2/9 or 15/73? After just the right amount of THC while I was listening to the Dark Star on Live Dead is when I "got" the GD, but the first album that appealed to me in it's entirety was Steal Your Face. You're correct, Jerry's tone on the Irwin Wolf, Phil's wild bass lines, Bob on Black-Throated Wind, Keith's deft piano chops, and Billy the Kid helping to drive it all forward all combined to help the planets align for me. Also, SYF sounds like it has "space" to it, like you're standing in the sweet spot that every venue possessed, where the sound was perfect for the size of the venue. Europe '72 had this same sense of space to the sound of it's recording as well.

Complaints about '74 are few, but here they are:
1. they played too few shows.
2. they gave too many people something to bitch about in Phil & Ned, who, as far as I'm concerned, were as much a part of what the GD are about as any other tune, space, feedback, etc ever played.
3. they played WAY too few Dark Stars---something like 8 performances.
4. they played Let It Rock too few times as well---I think only once?

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Poster: AKA Smi2les Date: Mar 21, 2007 9:34am
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I like 81',
smi2les likes 74',
tallpailofh20 likes 77',
patotobanjo likes 64'
bellski likes n2o.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Mar 21, 2007 9:41am
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No split votes, no matter how schizophrenic. However, if each personality signed on . . . .

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Poster: tree-ap Date: Mar 21, 2007 10:02am
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Oh...and I missed the most important part of '74---THE Wall of Sound!!!

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 21, 2007 12:07pm
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.....and now for something completely predictable (from me, anyway):

1977.

hands down.

why?

OK, here goes:

1) Throw a dart. Hit virtually any 1977 show and you'll have a 5-star winner. 4 and a half at worst. Throw ten darts at May of '77 and you'll do even better. Consistently their finest year ever.
2) Legendary shows: Cornell, Buffalo War Memorial, Boston Garden, Winterland June AND December runs.
3) Songs that had been in rotation for at least 5 years, and many older ones now mastered and feature extended jams not found in previous years (yes, in come cases shorter, i.e. No more 20 minute Other Ones, but I would argue the '77 8-11 minute versions are more focused and played with fire and fury)....back to my main poit, though: songs like Half Step (11/6/77, 5/25/77) now include monster jams not found in earlier versions....ditto Jack Straw, Deal, Bertha, FOTD, and Sugaree (5/5/77).
4) Fewer mistakes. The similar set lists from night to night may not offer the range and "surprise" factor of the previous year, but it also meant they nailed these sonmgs down tight. Jerry remembers most words as does Bob. The playing is at once confident, fluid, furious, effortless.
5) Vocally superior. Jerry still has his voice, and it shines. Belts out rocking tunes like Might as Well (10/29/77) and sings tenderly and beautifully on gems like Ship of Fools (5/9/77) and Comes a Time, not to mention his blues hound voice on Morning Dew (5/8/77). This is what separates '77 from other fine years later like 1981...you can really here Jerry's voice start to lose its range after '77. Even Donna blends better in this year than any other, and sounds especially good trading verses w/Bobby on TMNS.
6) Great new songs debuting along with the old favorites. Come on, folks. This is the year they unleashed Terrapin, Estimated, Passenger, and Fire on the Mountain, which being paired with Scarlet, extended THAT brilliant song to new ecstatic heights and possibilities.
7)Old enough to have been around the block but still young enough to kick out the jams. Jerry is, what--35 years old? I'm not exactly sure, but it's in that mid-30's range. The band has survived the 60's, has matured in sound and execution of playing, but still has the youthful energy to play blazing hot shows long into the night. Not as long as the '72-'73 marathon shows, but I would argue the '77 shows have no let downs (other than the occsassional LLR) whereas those other years have some soft spots among the overall very fine long hauls).
8)Mickey&Billy. The boys are back in town, sounding great together (SugarMag 10/29/77). Yes, they were together again in '76, but not with the same intensity.
9) Great venues. The mid-size and smaller halls (Evan's fieldhouse, Barton Hall, Winterland & others)...provide great acoustics and energy. Yeah, they hit a lot of those places in other years, but not as consistently or as concentrated as in '77.
10) The magnificence that is THE year of the Betty Board. Nothing sounds cleaner, or finer.

1977.

The peak year of the Grateful Dead.

This post was modified by grendelschoice on 2007-03-21 19:07:00

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Poster: JodyC Date: Mar 22, 2007 2:37pm
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Hey Grendels-please see the band Assembly of Dust at Higher Ground on Sat 4/14.They have a bunch of shows on archive.

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Poster: elkdog Date: Mar 21, 2007 1:11pm
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Nice post. If I wasn't sure that I'm right about '74, I'd swear you could be on to something with '77. That was indeed a very good year.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 21, 2007 2:52pm
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1974 is a hell of a year, too.

Finest ChinaRiders (only 1 played in '77, though it IS a scorcher --see DP #10), brilliant Eyes of the Worlds (although my favorites are from '77 for sure: 10/29/77, 11/4/77, among the best), some great Dark Stars in '74 (none played in '77).

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Mar 21, 2007 9:15pm
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My mind says 77, my heart says 69.

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Poster: cush11 Date: Mar 21, 2007 12:12pm
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An impossible decision for me...

However, if you were to hold a bong to my head I would have to say... 1977

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Poster: rosey842 Date: Mar 21, 2007 1:11pm
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What a trick question!

66-69 for the "just got dragged down the alley by a truck" feel.

70-71 for acoustic sets, etc. + all of the new songs.

73-75 for the new songs, jazzy playin' etc.

76 for the mellow mood.

77, well just because.....

What year did I leave out? 1972. Pig's still alive & in good form, one drummer, Keith's finding his way into the mix & it serves as the bridge from the 60's-71 to the 73-74 sound.

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Poster: deadmax Date: Mar 21, 2007 6:38am
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I'm with Rob, 1972 for consistency, long jams, and good music.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 21, 2007 8:14am
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1968!

CLIFF and I can see that this year holds all the energy and experimentation and outstanding performances that you'll need in a life time or two...

They come in 'sets:'

1-20/22-68
8-22/23/24-68
10-12/13-68
12-29-68!!!

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 21, 2007 6:31am
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1972.

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Poster: Driftin N Dreamin Date: Mar 21, 2007 8:38am
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1981, 1972

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 21, 2007 8:43am
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Hmmm...trying to confuse me, eh? For score keeping, lets upgrade you to 72.

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Poster: minty fresh Date: Mar 21, 2007 9:37am
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1973.
Why?
New songs:Eyes,HCS,Row Jimmy,China Doll,WRS,LIG,TLEO,Loose Lucy.
Top shows:Dane,Lincoln,Kezar,RFK,Nassau,all of November & December.

Plus, top versions of Dark Star, Playin, China/Rider, Eyes.

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Poster: TheGreat_and_Knowledgable Date: Mar 21, 2007 10:29am
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1977 all the way
for me the staples of this year define it all of may and 2/26

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Poster: Supaslush Date: Mar 21, 2007 6:14pm
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I'm going to change my vote to 1963. Garcia shoulda told that punk Weir to take a hike.

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Poster: deadn73 Date: Mar 21, 2007 8:22pm
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i thought it as a pretty cool question, it wasnt a question of favorite year our what u thought was the best year as fast consistency, but rether what defined the dead, i thought that was an interesting question, one i have thought about once or twice

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Poster: deadn73 Date: Mar 21, 2007 8:28pm
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you know this is somethin ive thought about lately, theres only so many topics and best of version threads to come by before it gets old relate relative to the grateful dead, how many best of version can u come up with, so for some of u guys who have been posting forever i notice u like to sit on some of the ones u consider have been there done that, so in this case i thought it was a pretty good question consider the situation, would you prefer a best version of jack straw,im sure stratocaster could post a nice old link to cover that

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Poster: Street Pig Date: Mar 21, 2007 6:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oh, cmon, let's get it over with

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